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I need a fabulous water-based poly or other eco floor coating

Allison Friedman MA, United States 0 Ratings 266 Discussions 75 Group posts

Posted by: Allison Friedman // Rate It Green Admin

I need a recommendation for a water-based poly. When I mentioned using a more environmentally friendly floor coating, I got a shrug and a maybe. Please let me know if there's a product out there you love and can highly recommend!

We're refinishing our wood floors this summer, and for our health and the planet I just want to use a low or no VOC product that is also really high quality. Thanks!!

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Brice Conway, MA, united-states 0 Ratings 3 Discussions 0 Group posts

Brice // Certified Sustainable Designer and pioneer of new products and technologies for the built environment.

http://www.vermontnaturalcoatings.com/our-products/polywhey-natural-floor-finish/

It works!

Allison Friedman Weston, MA, united-states 0 Ratings 266 Discussions 75 Group posts

Allison Friedman // Rate It Green Admin

Thanks, Brice. I will look into this product.

FrankT 0 Ratings 1 Discussions 0 Group posts

FrankT // (Rate It Green Guest)

Hi Allison,

If you find a suitable product, that stands up well on a floor, with no
VOC's, I will be amazed. Please share the news. I'm not aware of any.
Water-based urethane products, once they have worn, require significant
scraping and sanding to remove the product, before refinishing. Not at
all sustainable, from my point of view.

/Sanding evenly, and working the grits down from 40 to 80 to 110 to 240,
will do more for the finish and look of the wood than anything you can
wipe onto it.

/After that, what you wipe onto it has two choices, but both involve
solvents. Here they are:/
/
1.) What I've used on many floors is polymerized Tung Oil, thinned with
citrus oil solvent. The less thinner you use, the shinier, and the
slower it is to dry, and the more difficult it is to apply a super thin
coat that will dry well without being tacky or turning milky.
If you use more thinner, then it dries "better", with a matte finish. I
like to apply 6 to 8 coats, on raw, sanded hardwood. With good drying
weather, this can be done over 7 to 9 days, which may not work for the
modern world. Which is why it's not too popular. But it is the toughest
and the best.

2.) Second approach would be to use a linseed oil/tung oil/carnauba wax
blend, by Eco-House, from New Brunswick. This is my favorite to use,
though slightly less durable. It works wonders over a tinted, and finely
trowelled floor, or, over a well-sanded hardwood floor. This requires no
experimenting or mixing; just three or four coats:
http://www.eco-house.com/shop/270-hardwood-floor-oil/

I want to use products that I believe in; yet long-lasting durability,
and the ability to refinish the wood in the future, without having to
strip off the old hardened finish, is a part of my belief as well.

Frank

Brice Conway, MA, united-states 0 Ratings 3 Discussions 0 Group posts

Brice // Certified Sustainable Designer and pioneer of new products and technologies for the built environment.

Hi Allison, I just came across this company that you may be interested in for your floors.
http://www.mrsandless.com/

Dave Joyce is using them on a home in Concord and says they are terrific. Good luck

Allison Friedman Weston, MA, united-states 0 Ratings 266 Discussions 75 Group posts

Allison Friedman // Rate It Green Admin

Thanks Brice. I wonder how it's environmentally friendly (I see a note about a green certification, but not a mention of which specific one), but they're also removing the previous finish. They also seem to offer full service, moving the furniture and everything, which is convenient. It says they can do any hard surface including tile and fencing. I have heard discussions about how the dust itself from the sanding can itself be a health hazard, so this is intriguing.

On: 05/25/2015 Brice wrote:

Hi Allison, I just came across this company that you may be interested in for your floors. http://www.mrsandless.com/ Dave Joyce is using them on a home in Concord and says they are terrific. Good luck

Ronjf1 Rochester, NY, united-states 0 Ratings 5 Discussions 0 Group posts

Ronjf1 // Energy Solutions provider and consultant

Allison Preferred Environmental has a soy based sealer. They are developing colors as well. I can send you some details via email.

Allison Friedman Weston, MA, united-states 0 Ratings 266 Discussions 75 Group posts

Allison Friedman // Rate It Green Admin

Thanks Ron - I'd love to learn about a few more products people are confident in.

On: 06/30/2015 Ronjf1 wrote:

Allison Preferred Environmental has a soy based sealer. They are developing colors as well. I can send you some details via email.

JasonH 0 Ratings 1 Discussions 0 Group posts

JasonH // Rate It Green Guest Account

To clarify, oil-based poly’s are poison. Water-based poly’s can be healthy and great, or poison and great, or poison and crap. All top-coat polys typically require sanding to refinish.
Oil-based penetrating finishes can be beautiful, durable, natural (even organic), and healthy. What’s real nice about these finishes is that you can easily patch and repair and top-coat, should never need to sand and refinish.

I sell a lot of:
Osmo Polyx Oil – apply it thin and work it in. When in doubt, use less. That’s the key to success. Airports in Europe use it. A lot of pros just can’t figure this out b/c it’s the opposite of what they’re used to and they don’t do “new and different” well.
AFM Safecoat Oil-Wax penetrating finish, which is an organic mix of plant oils and plant waxes. Not as strong as Polyx Oil for a floor (very popular for furniture, trims, beams, etc)
Vermont Naturals – a very nice one-part water-based poly. Works well, good product.
AFM Safecoat Polyureseal – a very nice one-part water-based poly, more expensive. The choice for a real glossy sheen. Unique in that it helps to seal in offgassing you’ve applied another finish that is creating an IAQ problem.

I sell lesser amounts of Pure Tung Oil, which is as pure as it gets but it’s a labor of love. Several coats, takes days b/w coats. Polymerized tung oil is basterdized; doesn’t count in the green world if health counts.

Bona Traffic is a 2-part water-based poly that can be very nice and durable, but is a little more complicated to apply b/c it’s 2-parts (mix a hardener in).

Rubio Monocoat has been getting more popular. Another penetrating finish. One comment I’ve heard is that it sometimes can feel TOO thin on the wood.

NSchepis Bridgewater, MA, united-states 0 Ratings 24 Discussions 0 Group posts

NSchepis // Student at Bridgewater State

I work in the paint department at Ace Hardware. All of the stains that we sell are low to zero VOC. I do not believe we carry a fully water based polyurethane. However Minwax makes a water based oil modified polyurethane. Here's a link to the product. I hope this helps you at all.

http://www.minwax.com/wood-products/clear-protective-finishes/interior/minwax-water-based-oilmodified-polyurethane

rhaverlock 0 Ratings 1 Discussions 0 Group posts

rhaverlock // CSBA

Hello Allison, Good comments here. As a coatings consultant, I used several here listed in other comments. My question is why water base?
As to other comments, water based can be healthy, and so can oil products, they should understand VOC'c as it relates to outdoor pollution, not indoor air quality.
Also, who's 3rd party certified, whether can be used on toys, or food grade approved...One cert. in particular would be California's SouthCoast Air Quality Management www.aqmd.gov/
So the question begs, Why Water based?

Allison Friedman Weston, MA, united-states 0 Ratings 266 Discussions 75 Group posts

Allison Friedman // Rate It Green Admin

Good question, rhaverlock. I think it was an old automatic thought to equate eco-oriented and healthier coatings with being water-based. It sounds like this was not correct, though I admit to wanting to avoid anything having to do with fossil fuels as much is reasonably possible. I can agree the focus should be on health and VOCs -and also the Life Cycle effect of the item energy-wise ad with regard to the environmental impact. As this was an indoor application, I think the IAQ focus would be ok? Certifications can play a great role in helping people compare and validate products, IF the people needing this information understand the certifications, or have the needed information at their fingertips to understand enough to make a decision. In time, we hope to do a great job in the products directory of pointing to standards, certifications, and labels. (They can be written in now by manufacturers, but we hope to connect to the information in a more robust way.)

On: 11/08/2015 rhaverlock wrote:

Hello Allison, Good comments here. As a coatings consultant, I used several here listed in other comments. My question is why water base? As to other comments, water based can be healthy, and so can oil products, they should understand VOC'c as it re…

Ronjf1 Rochester, NY, united-states 0 Ratings 5 Discussions 0 Group posts

Ronjf1 // Energy Solutions provider and consultant

Allison,

I realize this is an older conversation and the floor coating solution you sought was for wood. I am now associated Creative Materials out of Massachusetts that produces 0 VOC floor coatings for concrete floors.

Rubio_Keith Austin, TX, united-states 0 Ratings 1 Discussions 0 Group posts

Rubio_Keith

For more information on Rubio Monocoat products, please visit...

www.rubiomonocoatusa.com

 
flooring, floor finish, 0% VOC

Allison Friedman Weston, MA, united-states 0 Ratings 266 Discussions 75 Group posts

Allison Friedman // Rate It Green Admin

Thanks Keith - I'd love it if you can share some of what makes this product durable and special! I really don't want to use poly next time! People have been asking me and wondering what the status is for more sustainable floor coatings - can you share where the market is at? Many of us want to make the switch! How are we doing between the trade off on sustainability and durability - and ease of application too?

On: 12/18/2017 Rubio_Keith wrote:

For more information on Rubio Monocoat products, please visit... www.rubiomonocoatusa.com

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On: 12/18/2017 Allison Friedman wrote:

Thanks Keith - I'd love it if you can share some of what makes this product durable and special! I really don't want to use poly next time! People have been asking me and wondering what the status is for more sustainable floor coatings - can you sh…

 

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